a-one Okay. Thanks! APKS stil wont install? (send one through bluetooth and try to install from notifications)

    Biden2020prez [Login to see the link] Well it turns out I can't compare second-newest and newest versions because either the phone forced updated itself or I had consented to the update and had just forgotten, because I opened my locked Flip to find it on a screen showing it had just updated. 😅 But I can compare it with the rooted phone which is on neutron.img.

    I didn't realize there was something wrong with the calendar haha I thought it just sucked! The updated calendar looks great. Even has a dot for events. Only monthly mode has changed, weekly and daily mode look the same as before. Rooted Flip calendar vs latest update calendar:
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    I didn't know what I was supposed to be looking for WRT call history/what's wrong with it. But the new version and old version look exactly the same to me. Took pics in case it helps:
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    The options seem to be the same, from going through them and looking for differences in the items available. Haven't investigated more thoroughly to compare each item's details.

      Ppotecha If you try to check for updates, there will be a popup telling you you can't update because the phone is rooted.

        Biden2020prez Nope, Voice Access ability to touch everything on the screen makes a mouse pointer a moot point.
        What I would really like to do is map the "favorite contacts" star button (directly below the green call button) to activate voice access, but button mapper app wont do it, and the settings in Voice Access wont accept it, either. I got the volume button mapped to Voice, but I can't set it to momentary on like the app will do natively.
        I like Voice Access only running while I am actively using it, I don't like it listening after I'm done with it. So for now I'm using the star key (*) on the bottom left and I'll live with it 🙂
        Two more questions if anyone has input:

        1. Can I kill apps running in the background? Specifically my streaming music app leaves a constant notification that it's still running, even after I have closed it and am no longer listening to music. Can I remove Voice Access from the notifications screen for the same reasons?
        2. Is there a slightly better keyboard that has emojis?

            Ppotecha I just installed it on my phone, and it says it wont run without play services. I'm tempted to see if I can get play services to install just to see what happens.... But the whole point of this phone was to get rid of the google tether lol.
            So, newest version of Android Auto will install and open, but it wants play services running also. I'm getting a new head unit for my vehicle that runs android and maps already, so I'm not truly concerned with having android auto. My music streaming app pauses, resumes, and skips songs through my BT earbuds, so it will do the same connected to the head unit.

                • darthLevel 6 - Platinum Elite Member

                  • Post #1371

                  smoakeater To get Voice access to recognize the Star/Message keys you can change the key name in /system/usr/keylayout/matrix-keypad.kl. To get rid of notification for Voice access, using a mouse or scrcpy click on the top of the screen which will bring down classic android notificaitons, there you can hold down on the Voice access notification to bring up notification settings, turn it off and it will remove the notification. As for a keyboard I really like [Login to see the link]. Takes some time to get used to but I find it to be good and is being maintained with good updates. Make sure to read the how to use guide before using it in order to take advantage of of its features.
                  smoakeater You can get play services with magisk GApps. You can also get MicroG on this phone if you modify the framework and other parts of system (needs to be done manually because we have no way of flashing zips.) I have done all of this and still haven't manage to get Android Auto working so I gave up. If you want to pickup from where I left off email me at [Login to see the link].

                        darth wow, dude your work has made this phone a great experience, thanks for all the time spent! I actually just deep dived a bit ago for a keyboard and already installed your suggested keyboard. I like it much better than stock, but still no emojis lol. (I haven't read ALL documentation yet, emoji might be in there?)
                        Once I figure out how to install the mouse, I'll try that for the voice notifications.
                        I wouldn't know where to begin to get Android Auto working if you can't, lol. I'm at a novice level for android. Normies think I'm a wizard because I can root and install roms, but I am no coder or fixer!
                        Again, thanks for the work, and the specific input to help me!

                            smoakeater You can modify app notification permissions, revoking Voice Access's will banish it from your notification screen, and likely same with your music streaming app. It's a bit convoluted to navigate to the android settings not listed in the Flip's default settings menu, I use Button Mapper to get there. Temporarily change the input of some key (eg volume) to Shortcuts > Settings shortcut > App info. Press the remapped button and scroll down to the app whose notifs you want to change. For Voice Access I have just disabled all of its notifications. I don't need em, I can toggle it on and off with the hotkey.

                            Also, to get to a searchable Android settings that lets you search for any Android setting you want, do the same thing but instead map Shortcuts > Settings shortcut > Location > App level permissions > Touch the magnifying glass with Voice Access or some kind of pointer > viola, settings search box!

                            Edit: somehow missed that Darth already answered that haha, well now you have two methods

                              • darthLevel 6 - Platinum Elite Member

                                • Post #1374

                                smoakeater For emojis in tt9 click on the 1 key, first click gives you punctuation and after that you get lists of emojis.

                                  Thanks fellas, I appreciate it. I just about have everything done now but the remapping.

                                    Biden2020prez
                                    I think these 2 issues were also fixed in KEFH;

                                    UPTHECREAK 2) When trying to add recipients to an open message by typing in a contact, it usually copies over only the contact name without a number making the message not sendable

                                    UPTHECREAK 5) Volume keys work even when the phone is closed risking accidentally turning on the ringer and having the phone ring during shemoneh esrei, Ideally the volume keys should work only to turn on the screen so you can check time/notifications without any effect on the volume

                                            Thanks to you guys I was able to root the device and install Magisk and apps.

                                            Has anyone tested any streaming apps at all? Would love to use that instead of taking up storage space.

                                            Also, has anyone got it working on Xfinity Mobile? They are a Verizon MVNO and I believe Verizon is what the phone is for? Just got the phone last night so sorry for all the questions.

                                            Edit: Also curious to know what apps people are using on here (besides the kosher rom) I am looking to move away from my iphone but do need a couple basics (hopefully signal, email, MFA app at minimum) Thanks!

                                              Does anyone know how to set it so Kt9 is the default in non standard apps like Signal or maps?

                                              hyperactiv So far the apps I have gotten working:

                                              • Blink (the Amazon webcam thing)
                                              • Microsoft To-Do (I use it for shopping list)
                                              • Microsoft Outlook (though voice access or a pointer is required to switch between email and calendar, and calendar is functionally read-only on this UI)
                                              • Moon+ Reader (heavy customization is possible!)
                                              • Zepp Life (the mi band app, I exclusively use it for getting notifications on my wrist so can't vouch for how usable the rest of it is)

                                              Partial successes I have found in my experimentation:

                                              • Zenit launcher (works but hiding apps is paywalled)
                                              • Tiny desktop (same problem, also it's unclear what icons you have selected)

                                              Failures:

                                              • Niagra launcher, Olauncher, Before launcher, and indistractible launcher (all require screen touches and/or scrolling)
                                              • Google Keep (needs google play)
                                              • Windows Phone Link (says it's incompatible iirc)
                                              • Readera (UI takes up most of the screen)

                                              I have many more I have to try, I just took a break from experimenting once I got everything I needed for this phone. 🙂 Also I feeeeeel like I saw someone got Spotify working on this phone but I'm not sure if it was this phone or a different one. (I decided to not use the phone as a music player and I use a dedicated mp3 player instead.)

                                                  papermario How well does the Zenit launcher work for you?

                                                  Oh it's actually really good - I set it in my settings as my "Right Shortcut" and it works amazing.

                                                  So I have

                                                  • AnimePipe (Anime and YouTube app combined)
                                                  • ES File Explorer
                                                  • F-Droid
                                                  • InnerTune (YouTube Music)
                                                  • Magisk + vMouse
                                                  • OsmAnd (Navigation)
                                                  • RedReader (Simple Reddit App for news / links)
                                                  • Telegram
                                                  • Signal
                                                  • Ultrasonic
                                                  • Termux
                                                  • Weather
                                                  • WireGuard

                                                  Really happy with this little device so far. May switch away from YT Music for a local MP3 player or something tho

                                                      hyperactiv Oh, putting a second launcher as a hardware button is genius! I'm going to try that and try more launchers that do allow hiding apps. I'm impressed by all the things you got working! I'm being very intentional with what I put on my Flip 2 because I don't want to turn it into basically a scuffed smart phone with the same problems as my smart phone (I'm transitioning into digital minimalism) but I'll probably try some of these.

                                                          papermario I agree - I've purposefully avoided social media apps. Reddit is a must for news though for me. Everything else is just how I can text with family like telegram or signal. Once root is achieved on the phone, you can access literally any android feature - only limitation is the screen resolution which I am working on finding a fix for so I can do "better" nav cause right now, it works but it sucks lol

                                                              UPTHECREAK
                                                              Number 2 is certainly fixed. It was something weird regarding imported contacts that did not get recognized by the Messages app.
                                                              I was tracking the issue here: [Login to see the link] and could only report it by purchasing a TCL Classic which TCL customer support can actually give support on. Giving them the IMEI of my Tracfone one only led them to tell me to call Tracfone. Tracfone support sucks and doesn't really take proper note & action of software bugs.
                                                              However, since the issue occurred on the TCL Classic too, TCL support was interested in the bug and reported it to their developers.
                                                              woo!