neutronscott thanks for your amazing work - suggestions for your wiki:

1) change resolution [Login to see the link] which is a game changer for usability of Waze and many other apps. Create resolution of 321x428 in the app (take care to put 321 width first and then 428 - reversing it can break your phone which then needs to be rescued by setting a valid screen resolution with adb) and then use the notification area to toggle between the default (240x320 which can be reset from adb if accidentally overwritten in app to a non-working resolution) for phone calls and stock t408dl system apps and 321x428 for installed apps.

2) mouse toggle - edit: hat-tip NEC if not using pro version of button mapper then install MacroDroid app apk (from for example [Login to see the link] ), Jumptoheaven's modded button mapper, xxdeafgirl's accessibility [Login to see the link] with a-one 's permissions and the change resolution app as described in 1) above and then after toggling resolution to 321x428 use MacroDroid to name (ex. Mouse On) and create an empty trigger (use search function for "empty" in triggers to locate) with action shell-script (again search function in actions for "shell" is your friend) of settings put system keyboard_pointer_enable 1 and a second named trigger (ex. Mouse Off) an empty trigger (use search function for "empty" in triggers to locate) with action shell-script (again search function in actions for "shell" is your friend) of settings put system keyboard_pointer_enable 0. In button mapper map two button combinations (I used long-press back-button edit: volume-up to activate mouse and double-click back-button edit: long-press volume-down to deactivate) to shortcuts to Macrodroid - for one choose the Mouse On script and for one choose the Mouse Off script Advanced and selected Root commands and entered for volume-up settings put system keyboard_pointer_enable 1 and for volume-down settings put system keyboard_pointer_enable 0.

3) useful and working apps list (subject to site and user acceptability)- my own list includes regular Waze (my biggest reason for getting this phone - to save the many 100s of dollars I would otherwise have to spend on a separate kosher Waze device and the recurring cost of an extra monthly plan), 1Weather, WhatsApp (which I use exclusively as a productivity tool and not for entertainment/time-wasting), regular Google Maps (can't sign in) all of which I use after toggling change screen resolution as in 1) above

4) Genymotion's [Login to see the link] was extremely helpful in setting up and playing with this phone because it has a mouse that accesses the whole screen area, working scroll-up and mouse drag

5) lgexalter1 's tip of using the [Login to see the link] [Login to see the link] don't set as default home because you can't make calls. Set a shortcut key to it (such as left key) from Settings | Phone Settings | Key Shortcuts.

              I noticed that there hasn't been much mention here of getting the t408dl from [Login to see the link] for only $29.99 plus one month's service (as low as $25) and then using a referral code to get 3 free months as described for a different phone on [Login to see the link] - ldpt-bcfe and used that to get 8,000 points which buys an additional three months at $25 a month (slightly less on auto-pay) and since my existing family phone plans are all on Verizon pre-paid with loyalty discounts I am getting the phone carrier unlocked after 60 days and switching SIM cards from our current phones.

              **CAN SOMEONE PLS MAKE A NEW THREAD WITH ALL THE END RESULTS IN A CLEAR FASION
              including adb commands for uninstalling unwanted apps and a list of apps that can be installed with the commands to install them

                breakingnews I know it's hard to follow but for the sake of full discussion we are in the middle of discussing this point - see lazertech 's post asking for same and neutronscott 's reply

                      • darthLevel 6 - Platinum Elite Member

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                        breakingnews Follow the links on original post

                          dovwcom thanks for the suggestions I'll try to add some. I actually host a wiki I should have put it there so anyone can edit ...

                          My mouse binary was only a test so far. I figured existing apps would fill this void and it sounds like macro droid will be a staple in a ROM for a non-touch phone living in a touchscreen world. I do plan to extend my mouse service though and ideally it would be made a service in the ROM but with the option to use a key or integrate into other accessibility services to use their button triggers. My priority though has been modifying recovery so mods can be ran with .zip files instead of distributing large ROMs or needing Magisk, and also in hopes writing the super partition can be done in under 5 minutes instead of 35...

                          I think Launcher3 mods are next on the list. I want to unlock it to showing all apps.

                              neutronscott Two questions that I didn't see clearly answered either on the Wiki or on this thread:

                              1) What happens as is on a factory reset on your ROM?

                              2) Do you have the stock ROM?

                                  • darthLevel 6 - Platinum Elite Member

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                                    dovwcom In the Rom I shared if you factory reset you just lose your personal information, all of the changes were made in system and are not affected by a factory reset.

                                      • NNECLevel 1 - Junior Member

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                                        dovwcom if you grant button mapper root it seems to work just by setting those commands as a shell no need to use macrodroid. just put the settings (under advanced) in a shell and it works great!

                                            Jumptoheaven I think the mouse was only put in the settings so it launches with browser. Therefore it cant reach on top of browser Area. I think the area might be able to be edited, but it would be very hard.

                                                Jumptoheaven the way browser turns on the mouse is by running command nec found. So when we run that command it has the same effect. But when you run a bluetooth mouse, there is something different happening, proof is that you cant use dpad to control it.

                                                Or maybe the dpad is limited where it can move the mouse and a real mouse isn't.

                                                Either way, its a good question, i don't have a full answer.

                                                    Biden2020prez Genymotion's [Login to see the link] also has no limitations but that in itself doesn't obviously resolve your question of whether the difference is due to different implementations or whether it's due to a hardware limitation on dpad - would make a good shayla if it were Torah...

                                                        dovwcom that Is another league because it doesn't show a cursor on the rhone

                                                            Biden2020prez on the phone itself not but there is a cursor on the screen copy of the phone and it works everywhere on the screen

                                                                dovwcom Yes, but it uses adb to tap. Has no connection to the Built in cursor.